There are a multitude of ways to kill a UTI, depending on which genus, species, and strain you have, but some things remain constant no matter what type of bacteria you have and what regimen of meds you’re using. You must keep these things in mind and implement them no matter which way you’re killing a UTI.
- Your bladder is literally at the very end of your digestive system, meaning it gets the dregs of whatever you take. All meds have to be absorbed into the bloodstream and pass through the entire system before reaching the bladder, and they can get used up before reaching it if there’s too much interference. Which leads us to…
- Charcoal cleansing is key to curing most cases of UTI: it removes bacterial and fungal pathogens from the gut more quickly and efficiently than anything else. Everything you take is going to work better after a good cleanse because more of it is going to make it into your blood.
- Stomach acid supplementation. Most people with bladder issues have low stomach acid. It’s often caused by repeated antibiotic use, because that leads to Candida overgrowth, which eats your B vitamins and lowers stomach acid production, which then causes food to ferment in your gut, which feeds more Candida. It’s a self-reinforcing cycle until you break it with acid supplementation, and charcoal cleansing. Sometimes you also need adrenal support to get acid production jump-started. Without enough acid in your stomach your natural meds aren’t going to be absorbed into your bloodstream, so they’ll never reach the bladder. If you get nothing but gross gut symptoms (gas and diarrhea, or constipation) when you take natural meds, and no bladder relief/significant test strip improvement, that’s what’s happening. You need to take acid with your food and meds, and do some charcoal cleansing: a minimum of two 5 gram doses.
- TIMING. This is absolutely crucial. When you’re used to antibiotics, which linger in the system and only need to be taken twice a day, typically, it can be hard to get used to taking natural meds. The way you have to think of it is, every time you pee, your meds are leaving your system. Everything you eat or drink affects what’s in your urine, and to keep your urine pH at the right level and a constant flow of meds moving through your bladder you need to take some natural meds and treat your urine pH every time you pee. This ensures that your bladder, as it fills, is filling up with meds. If you aren’t paying attention to timing your meds can be arriving in your bladder right before you empty it, and then they don’t have a chance to Seek and Destroy before they’re gone, meaning it fills up again with untreated urine and the Pathogen Rave Party continues unchecked. This includes if you wake in the night to pee. If you go back to bed without taking something to kill bacteria/adjust urine pH, those little devils will come out of their foxholes and party down the rest of the night. “Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.”
- Combine different types of natural meds: use this graphic as a reference. You want to combine phenolic acid meds with organosulphurs and terpenes and maybe alkaloids: it’s like attacking your enemy on all four fronts. It might be able to partially resist one type of med (a phenol, for instance), but combine phenols with terpenes and organosulphurs and an alkaloid and you’re coming from more directions than the pathogen can defend against. Whatever you’re taking, google it and click on the Wiki entry for it and see what it says about the chemical make-up. If you’re unsure how to find that info and you don’t see what you’re taking in the chart below, tell me what it is in a comment and I’ll tell you what type it is, if anyone else has used it with success, and what is best combined with it. For instance, if you’re taking 3 different kinds of phenols you’re only attacking on one front even though you’re taking 3 separate supplements. To optimize results you would want to drop 2 of them and replace them with a terpene and a sulphur.
- Avoid irritants/bacteria food. If your UTI has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, and you drink half a glass of alcohol, you just gave that thing a shot of adrenaline straight to the heart. Alcohol is the devil. So is orange juice. So is tomato sauce/chili. So is sugar. If you have a gram negative UTI, so is a spinach salad: it’s full of nitrates, which those bacteria feast on to make the nitrites that show up magenta pink on your test strip the next day. And do not take any naturopathic tinctures in an alcohol base. Those will feed more bacteria than they kill, generally.
- Cover all your bases by cleansing with charcoal, supplementing with acid, taking chemically varied meds/treating pH every time you pee, and avoiding pathogen fertilizers.
- Also, if you’re doing these things and at first you don’t succeed, try, try again! Sometimes you just need to tweak your combination slightly. When you’re doing all of the above and you’re stalled out, drop back to Square One by treating your pH (drinking something alkaline or acidic every time you pee, depending on your case) and taking one natural med, the one you feel is most effective. Then add one med (of a different chemical type) back per day, paying close attention to your symptom and test strip response. This way you can see what is most effective against your particular strain.
- If your leuks are virtually non-existent but your nitrites are bright pink, you need to alkalize your pH further, add in a non-phenolic acid med (a sulphur or terpene or alkaloid), and be sure you’re fully emptying your bladder every time you pee. Search Youtube for tutorial videos on resolving bladder retention.
- Know your enemy (what type of bacteria you have and what pH to use to suppress its growth).
- Learn how your weapons work (what type (phenol/terpene/organosulphur/alkaloid) of meds you have), and…
- Wield them effectively (proper timing, chemical combination, and consistency).
- A UTI is the most difficult type of infection to kill: compared to this, killing any eye/ear/nose/throat/respiratory/tissue infection is a snap. It’s difficult because the bladder is at the end of your system, and the bacteria are growing in their own little containment system where the bloodstream can’t reach them directly. Anywhere else in the body is easier than this.
- But it can be done, and you can beat an infection when all antibiotics have failed. I’ve seen it now more times than I can count.
- You can do this. Never give up: never surrender.
Hi Rebekah, I tested this morning with the strips and came out positive for Leukocyte and no sign for nitrites. Do that mean I have staph or strep? Currently about to take lemon shot followed by vitamin C and my prenatal pills. I’m not sure if this page is still running. i have emailed. And no response. Hopefully I hear back soon.
UPDATE: My Dr. Finally found something in the culture. The bacteria is “Enterobacter Cloacae Complex” it is found in the gut/intestinal and a gram negative. I believe I got it due to the catheter I had for my son’s birth. I don’t see anything on your website about it which is just my luck. I will be following “The Kill List: Pseudomonas Edition” as it is a similar bacteria and a gram negative. And I will be posting my update incase anyone has the same bacteria.
I’m still going threw it. In a pandemic but its slowly getting better.
How are you doing now? Xxx
I have actually gotten so much better. Before it was unbearable š« but now I have managed it where some days I feel completely fine.. I’m slowly feeling myself again. I take probiotics, OlE 50% and D3 every night before I go to bed. I believe my uti comes back due to stress and lack of sleeping. But I believe in OLE and noticed the difference when I take it
Update: for the past couple of months i have been uti free. After a year of a stubborn uti I finally got rid of it!! Thank you so much!!! On the test strips i only tested postive for leukocytes. Now i am postive for nitrate. Now taking garlic with lemon for every meal.
Iām going throughthe same thing, I have 2 grAm negative and 1gram positvive. I been dealing with this for 6 months now is very frustrating, I was feeling much better and again it comes back. Or it never went away
Now my doctor wants to do a cystoscopy and Im kind of nervouse about it. Since the antiboitics didnt work. Im going to keep tryin with again with ole, ginger, the cleanse and Hopefully i have the same luck ad you.
bulk supplies is where i get my OLE.
hey Jazmin, i have notice from experience that the type of brand of OLE matters. it wasn’t till after i tried “bulk supplies” OLE in powered form i would mix it with a 16.9oz of water. 2 weeks later i took a test and tested negative but still had the symptoms so i kept taking it and when they slowly went away, i would only take it when i felt something. I’m so grateful for all the information Rebeka W gave as its lead me to a natural journey. hope this may help.
Hi, I’ve been diagnosed with ureplasma parvum. I have agonizing pain in my urethra, swelling, and discharge. There’s limited information on this bacteria on the web and I’m wondering if you have any helpful information on how to heal naturally. I just finished the antibiotics I was prescribed Zithromax and I’m still not feeling well. Please any help would be so appreciated because I feel so lost.
Whatās a good alkaloid or terpene? Iām having recurring nitrites in the morning, no symptoms though.
Hi Rebekah,
I love pantry pharmacy! My staph sapro has gotten less over the last three days. The only thing that I still notice, is after every time I pee, I get the slight burning UTI-feeling again for like half an hour. I’m still taking the supps for staph. But it feels like I shouldn’t stop taking them, even though test strips are clear.
What can it mean? The only time I feel it is right after I peed, starting 5 minutes after, until half an hour later. Increasing the frequency of taking supps? Adding more supps? Or just continue longer… Seems like there’s something in my urine that’s irritating my bladder after leaving my body. But I don’t have UTI-symptoms the rest of the day.
Thanks in advance!
Hell Rebekah, Thank you so much for this site! I’ve been suffering with a recurring uti for the last 5 weeks (it resurfaces every few days) It first showed up and didn’t respond to my d-mannose, thus putting me in urgent care and taking the antibiotic they suggested a low dose (keflex) for 5 days which I did.
This is the first uti I’ve had in 8 years. I live an organic/healthy lifestyle and rarely touch anything from pharma. That said, I never really felt well from the antibiotic and tried to continue to treat it myself, this time with lypo-spheric vit C in very large doses and everything from cranberry tablets to garlic tablets and more. Symptoms would disappear but kept popping up every time I tried to reduce the high doses I was taking. I then tried angocin (german mixture of mustard seed and horseradish) which seemed to take the symptoms away only until I started backing off the dose again….argh!
I ended up in urgent care a second time 3 weeks later asking them to culture the pee so I’d at least know what bacteria I was dealing with. Given my inexperience with all of this, I didn’t have a clean catch ( I know better now) and the results came back as mixed flora. Urgent care was squat for help (they sure did drain my $$ fast though!) and tried to give me antibiotics which I refused. Fast forward to now. I’ve read a TON and tried all the things. I’m convinced I’m dealing with some sort of gram positive bacteria as ALL the pee tests had negative nitrites. They came back with large Leukyocytes Esterase twice and negative on everything the third time….yet symptoms go away for a few days then pop right back up.
After all my reading I’m doing a protocol of high doses of monolaurin (kills many gram + and – bacteria as well as candida, biofilms etc) and OLE/turmeric I’m surprised that I’m not having die-off symptoms given that I’m disrupting any biofilms there might be however given my lifestyle, I may not really have much to die off either. That said, I’m not sure how long to stay on these high doses (when on it, the symptoms seem to disappear but when I start reducing they come back) I can’t tell if it’s a UTI or VB now but the symptoms ALWAYS start with vaginal burning first then follow within an hour or two with burning at the end of peeing and urgency. It’s all driving me nuts when the symptoms pop up and the fear of when that will be is making me crazy! Do you have any thoughts to share?! I’m nursing exclusively so that has been a factor in all of this as well as a bit of stress since I want nothing bad going to my baby
Hello there!
I have had an enterococcus infection for 3 years. There also seems to be a little bit of klebsiella and some other bacteria in there too. Iāve tried loads of thing to get rid of it (It was misdiagnosed as Ureaplasma for ages)
This is the protocol Ive been on daily for 3 days, and I wanted to know if I need to add anything:
– One week of charcoal cleanse
Then:
– 300mg Oleuropein x 4
– 300mg Carvacrol x 4
– 2mg vit C x 4
– every night charcoal
Iām feeling more energetic and more positive (and itchy)over the last two days, and the pain has lessened. Iām going to add in fresh horseradish tomorrow, as I KNOW thereās biofilm in there.
I really need to hit this hard and strong and long.
P.s. I find garlic good, but the moment I stopped it, the pain returned.
What brand of OLE are you taking?
I would try adding in juiced ginger root shots, and changing the garlic out for grated horseradish root with meals. Those two attack both Entero and Klebsiella.
Iām taking zen herbs ole while Swanson is in the post! They have a 150mg of oleuropein per capsule and Iām taking 2 capsules 4 times a day.
Ok great Iāll do the horseradish from tomorrow. Unfortunately my new juicer broke so waiting on a replacement.
How long do you think I can continue this treatment for? Should I also buy some Pau dāarco? Thank you.
Whoa…50% active ingredient! That’s amazing!
I don’t think you need pau d’arco for this blend of bacteria: I’d start on horseradish and do the ginger when you can, and go from there.
You can do the juice and OLE as long as you need: if an infection isn’t dead or nearly so within a week you want to troubleshoot to find out why.
Thank you Rebecca. Youāre best support. I read this site all the time and think Iām getting closer to a cure. (still do everything wrong.. but Iām getting there.)
By the way, I sent you a private message on FB regarding a
small admin error I made on the previous post. If you could fix it when you have a minute it that would be brilliant, thank you.
I think I just did: is it fixed?
I just saw this now – though I checked every day. Yes you fixed it! Thank you! šš
Hi Rebecca! Iām on day 4 of the bootcamp. Itās hard work but going ok. Iām finding the horseradish really hard to digest. Iām taking it in 2 capsules with lemon and 1 hcl and a lot of food. But my stomach is increasingly unwilling to digest it! š Is there another way to get it in?!
Also, do you think itās possible to get a slight nerve pain from a long-standing UTI? Iāve notice this starting over the last few weeks.
Thank you again,
Caroline
Unwilling to digest it…how, exactly? It gets returned with prejudice? š¤®
š no since I started using the capsules, I no longer š¤¢. I can just feel it in my stomach for about an hour afterwards.
Are you eating a high-veggie diet?
You may need to eat something a bit more fatty with it, like a few spoonfuls of full-fat whole yogurt.
Those mustard oils are PUNGENT; they need to be insulated with some fat and cut with acid to digest properly.
Hey I was wondering if ur regimen worked for u and if u were using 50mg of carvcrol
When you say “you need to take some natural meds and treat your urine pH every time you pee”, what meds do you mean? For example, if I’ve already taken D-Mannose, garlic and OLE with breakfast, do I take something again if I pee within an hour? I just found your blog and have already trying to heal myself for over a week. It seems to be getting worse, unfortunately. I want to do the cleanse, but have my daughter’s bridal shower this weekend and have too much to do to just hunker down and cleanse. I’m hoping I survive with this until next week.
You’ve done the Decision Tree test?
No, I just found your blog this morning. I will look for that. Thank you.
Oh, then just do that baking soda water test described, and go from there!
You should have the symptoms reined in by the end of the day.
My doctor sent out my urine for a culture last week. It came back as E Coli. I will do the test to check my stomach acid.
The Phase I protocol will give you relief in less than an hour, then.
When you have E. coli, low stomach acid, and a juicer, you’ll want to go straight for the Hippocrates Special protocol.
I’ve seen that eradicate entrenched E. coli in 3 days.
Unfortunately I am away right now, because of the bridal shower, which I mentioned in my original post. I plan on starting the Hippocrates Special protocol on Monday. In the meantime, I did do the baking soda test and didn’t burp until after 10 minutes. Do you recommend I also use HCL? Thank you so much for your quick responses and your help.
Yes, you need to take HCL (the good brand is linked in the Supplies post, I believe) with every meal! Or a shot of pure lemon juice.
Much of Phase I can be implemented anywhere: it uses things you can find in any grocery store.
The only thing you’ll want to leave out is the garlic, for the obvious reason.
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Yes, I am continuing with Phase I, minus the garlic! It’s the Hippocrates Special I won’t be able to do until Monday.
No worries, then!
You definitely want to be home with plenty of activated charcoal on hand when you start the Hippocrates: it can really clean you out. š¬
I’m going to begin the Hippocrates in the morning. Do I still continue doing Phase I at the same time?
The simplest thing to do is to take 2 OLE with every glass of juice: the juice does everything the cinnamon tea and lemon water does, only better, and same with the horseradish as opposed to garlic.
It’s like Phase I and II on steroids, when OLE is used in conjunction with it.
I just had my first juice. I realize I have a centrifugal juicer. If each batch makes 16 oz.and I have to drink 8 at a time, is it okay that the 2nd of the 8 oz. sits for a while before I drink it? Also, is it okay to continue taking a probiotic? I’m sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I do this right, and get rid of this infection already! And thank you so much for taking the time to respond and assist me.
Probiotics are great!
With that juicer it’s best to go ahead and drink each batch fresh, whenever possible.
The centrifugal oxidizes the juice, which begins to break down the nutrients within 15 minutes.
I’d go ahead and drink that batch within the next 15 minutes and make a smaller batch next time.
Dumb question(s) – What if I have to pee more than the 48 oz. of juice per day. Is there something else I should be doing after I pee, if I used up all the juice? And with the centrifugal juicer, don’t drink anything if I wake in the night?
You can mix lemon juice and baking soda into a glass of water together, and drink that.
It stops E. coli growth and it’s good for your kidneys, too. Keep that drink away from food, but the juice can be drunk anytime, even close to a meal (thanks to the lemon content).
Try to space the juice out to make sure you’re having a glass last thing at night and first thing in the morning.
So, I’ve been drinking the juice throughout the day – I still have two more left, and I’ve been eating the horseradish and taking OLE. When I pee I notice the urine smells, where it didn’t before and I’ve also been having some pain when I urinate (not every time), but when I was just doing Phase I, the pain would stop right after I started the lemon water and garlic in the morning. Do you think this is normal or am I doing something wrong?
I would bump up your dosage of OLE by 1-2 capsules per dose: it sounds like you’re having a leuks spike, which can happen temporarily when you’re killing and flushing large amounts of bacteria out.
Also, I’d take a 2 tsp dose of charcoal as soon as your gut loosens up.
The juice blend does a huge amount of work in your gut, first thing, adding to the leuks.
Charcoal rapidly mops up all the dead and dying fungus and bacteria in there, dropping your leuks count rapidly.
One more thing: approximately 2% of E. coli cases are caused by a strain that responds negatively to ginger, and cayenne.
With that strain, ginger causes increased bladder pressure, and cayenne causes increased urethral burning.
Your case doesn’t sound like that, from your description, but if increased OLE and a charcoal cleanse doesn’t reverse the leuks spike, I’d drop the ginger from the juice, and monitor.
I will monitor that. I’ve just been to 3 stores in search of organic celery. I don’t have enough for tomorrow. No one has any, including Whole Foods and Costco. Do you think it’s okay to use non organic?
Wow, my Costco only carries the organic kind!
Temporarily it’s okay, but I’d ask the stores when they can get some.
In the meantime, rinse the celery very thoroughly first.
I think there must be a celery shortage. Costco didn’t have any at all!
Lots of people juicing it, nowadays. š
If you ask your local store’s produce manager they’ll often order a crate of something for you, like organic celery or horseradish root. Whole Foods, Publix, Trader Joe’s, places like that.
Good idea. I found some! There was exactly enough for 3 days so I cleaned them out š
Awesome: I hope they get more in soon!
If your symptoms don’t quickly subside after increasing the OLE and taking that large charcoal dose, drop the ginger entirely and keep on with everything else for a day, and let me know.
I will, thanks. I don’t think I’m ready for the charcoal. I’m usually constipated and nothing has been happening yet.
Things will sure happen if you switch the HCL out for 1.5 oz of straight lemon juice per meal!
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Actually I’ve only been taking the lemon juice and nothing yet. I have a feeling it’s starting though š²
It generally takes about 36 hours to kick in, but can take longer in more severe cases.
Once the floodgates open, don’t be shy with that charcoal! Chug the black water, and after you see that again (Black š©) you can take another dose the same size if you’re still running free.
Got it. Thanks!
I wanted to update you… this is the first day in three weeks I woke up without pressure and no pain with peeing! I did a test strip…The nitrites were normal (they had been turning that bright pink the minute the urine hit it) and the leuks are purple, but not as dark as they have been. I’m feeling optimistic! Still waiting to for things to start running so I can take the charcoal.
EXCELLENT work!
I think we can safely say you don’t have that rare strain: just keep doing what you’re doing!
Is it okay to take the charcoal right before bed? I haven’t had to take it yet, so I don’t really know what to expect when I finally get to.
If you’re backed up, you don’t want to take it yet.
But yes, bedtime is a good time to take it as long as you’ve been consistent with meds through the day, and you take OLE or a glass of juice if you wake up to pee during the night.
I’m not sure why, but today my nitrites were pink again. I also feel a bit of pressure, but don’t have that intense pain when I urinate. I realized I didn’t have my 4th dose of horseradish last night. I fell asleep and forgot to have a snack. Also, I’m still not running loose, so I haven’t done the charcoal yet. It’s not my normal bowels, but not the way it sounds like it’s supposed to be to start the charcoal. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong, or anything else I should be doing? I’m trying to stay optimistic, but it’s hard. I have an appointment with a urologist today that I made last week. I really don’t want to have to go on antibiotics.
Missing doses will do that (natural meds move into the system and back out again quickly): no bedtime dose means there was nothing killing bacteria in your bladder so they partied all night long.
Just hit it again today and don’t sweat it: there’s always a few bumps in the road.
The key is staying consistent until every last pathogen cell is dead, just like taking abx.
Skipping doses or stopping too soon allows the bacteria to rebound.
I’ll be more careful. Is there anything else you think I should be taking besides the juice, lemon juice before meals, OLE, probiotics and horseradish?
For most strains, what you’re taking now will do the job as long as you’re taking enough and being consistent.
Those things are keeping your urine pH alkaline so E. coli growth is checked, and the horseradish, OLE, and ginger kill the bacteria on three chemical fronts: horseradish with organosulphurs/mustard oils, ginger with terpenes, and OLE with phenolic acid.
All you have to do is keep up a steady fire until your morning test strips have been clear at the 5 minute mark for 3-5 days (depending on the virulence of the bacteria: one that’s resisted multiple abx should be hammered twice as long to be on the safe side).
The only thing I’d perhaps try adding in would be a couple doses of cayenne pepper per day.
So, I did everything 100% yesterday and my nitrites were negative and my leuks were still purple, but not the darkest. Do you have a post here about testing? I know you answered me yesterday and mentioned being negative at the 5 minute mark. I feel like I once read something, but I’m not sure if it was in a post, or in comments. I searched, but can’t find it.
Also, for some reason, I never became loose and running. I’m actually a little constipated. Is it okay if I never get to do the charcoal?
Thank you again for all your help!
Just keep going! When you’re on the right track the nitrites are the first to disappear, followed by the leuks doing a slow fade over a few days.
It usually takes several days to get an embedded infection down to totally clear test strips, and not having cleansed with charcoal yet also adds to the leuks count.
In your place I’d probably go ahead and get a bottle of mag citrate to hustle things along a bit: if you get up early to take it (chug the whole bottle down about 90 minutes before your usual rising time), it’ll interfere as little as possible with your meds schedule.
Once you’ve been watery (š©š©) 2-3 times, you can go ahead and take a dose of charcoal, then wait 2 hours and eat and take your meds), and drink plenty of juice and water that day to keep the charcoal moving through you. (You really want to do a charcoal cleanse because it sorts out the major source of new UTIs (gut), and makes a massive difference in your quality of life.)
You may need to increase your activity level (brisk 1-1.5 mile walk per day), or increase your hydration to speed peristalsis.
You could also have a nerve impingement to that area that a chiropractor could set right for you.
Thanks for the advice. I will try the mag citrate. I do see a chiropractor weekly, I’ll mention it to her.
If you’re getting regular adjustments it’s likely that you need increased activity or hydration: I’d try one or the other today to see.
It’s probably the lack of activity. I haven’t been working out since I haven’t been feeling well. I had a sinus infection along with the UTI. I have a feeling everything I’ve been doing for the UTI also worked on the sinuses.
Yes, these things kill infections everywhere in the body: the bladder is actually the last thing to benefit from them because it’s at the end of the system.
By the time you cure the bladder you’ve cured everything else.
(No one in my house has had an ear infection in 12.5 years, and there’s never been any sinus infections, flu, strep, or any of the other common childhood infections at all.
The kids don’t know what it’s like to really be sick….I hope they don’t drive their future spouses nuts…
“What’s wrong with you? You’re sick? Take OLE!”) š
I hope the weather where you are is conducive to a lovely spring walk today! Make it nice and brisk with some inclines if possible. š
You’re children’s spouses will be lucky, they’ll keep them healthy!
Not so nice here today and no inclines in my neighborhood – in New Jersey. I’ll head to the gym later and get on the elliptical.
Good morning! Me again… First of all, I know I’ve said thank you already, but seriously, thank you really isn’t enough. I can’t even imagine where I’d be right now if it wasn’t for your site, and your personal guidance and support. I feel sooo much better. I still have some light purple (less than yesterday) leuks, but I’m going to do the mag citrate and charcoal on Sunday and hopefully that will be the end of them.
I have plans all day tomorrow and I’ll be eating lunch and dinner out. I won’t be able to take my lemon juice shot, but I do have HCL, which I’ve haven’t used yet. Do I just take one each time before my meal? I also won’t be able to eat the horseradish. Do you have any suggestions about what to do? I’m afraid to miss my doses. This sounds weird, but I was thinking of grating it earlier in the day and put it in little pill boxes with some avocado, and just eating it in the restaurants. I’m not sure if it will keep for hours that way though.
One more question, is your Facebook page still active? I had requested to join earlier in the week, but it says it’s still pending.
Be very consistent today, increasing your doses of horseradish and OLE, and I would do whatever possible to try to take horseradish tomorrow, too.
You want to keep up the pressure till you’ve had clear test strips for several days running: when you first feel totally fine the UTI isn’t completely dead yet.
You want every single cell eradicated, just like when you take a full course of abx even though the infection seemed to have died in the first couple of days. Otherwise the survivors replicate.
You take 2-4 HCL mid-meal with a swallow of water, and I’d go ahead and do the avocado paste idea: I think that’s creative.
I’m on an FB break, but I’ll get back to it.
I had almost normal leuks on Saturday and Sunday, barely purple. On Sunday I drank the mag Citrate in the morning and by 1 pm I was able to drink the charcoal. I waited 2 hours and ate and drank my juice and took my meds. I was still running water later in the day, so I took another dose of charcoal. I was then on the toilet for a long time until around midnight. I didn’t get my last juice or meds in. Because of timing I really only got in 1/2 of my doses yesterday. This morning my leuks were back to the dark purple. They haven’t been that color for at least 3 days. Could that be because I didn’t get all the meds in? Also, sorry to be so graphic, but I see the charcoal coming out. Is that normal?
Yes, the charcoal is like fiber: it passes right through you carrying Candida and other pathogens with it!
Just hit the meds like usual today: they’ll be even more effective because they won’t have gut interference to deal with.
Expect to pee often with high volume today and maybe tomorrow.
I’m still doing everything I have to do to get rid of this thing – taking my meds and being very consistent. My test strip was normal yesterday and then today, the leuks were slightly purple again. I feel like I’m almost there and then wham! some purple again. I feel so good, so I keep thinking I’m done. It’s been over a week with the Hippocrates. Have you ever seen this happen before? I’m also getting nervous because I’ll be going away next week and won’t have access to a juicer.
How long till the purple showed up?
A little after 2 minutes.
Okay, since you feel good and have no symptoms, I wouldn’t fret.
You probably ate a little something yesterday that caused temporary irritation; all you have to do is keep going, and you could bump up your dosage of something if you want, like OLE, to speed complete recovery.
Anything that resisted multiple antibiotics is going to drag its feet a bit on the way out the door, but you’ve still got it firmly by the scruff of the neck.
You got this, girl.
Burn it down, bury the ashes, and pee on the grave while screaming, “How you like me NOW?!?!”.
Haha…Thank you for the encouragement!! š
I’m so upset. I just tested and my nitirites are bright magenta. They’ve been normal for almost 10 days. I feel like crying.
Is your horseradish still pungent-smelling? Did you eat/drink anything different yesterday? Med schedule change at all?
My horseradish is a new one so it’s definitely fresh. My schedule was off and my timing was very different. I work from home, so it’s easy to keep on schedule. Yesterday I had to travel to my mom’s to help prepare for Passover – 2 hour drive. I brought my juicer with me and did juice. We went to Costco and I remembered I forgot to take my OLE. As soon as we got home I took it plus some extras. So I did take all my meds, but the timing was different.
One more thing – since the charcoal cleanse on Sunday, I’ve been very constipated.
Ahhh, that explains it.
Constipation overloads your bladder because there’s so much more for your kidneys to filter out. That plus an erratic schedule will give whatever residual bacteria there was a chance to feed.
You can reverse that; it’s a temporary setback.
Constipation after charcoal indicates you need:
A. More acid with your food, and/or
B. More lemon water between meals
Taking a saline laxative today and then hitting the meds hard will give you clear tests again; don’t despair. Remember that the bladder is at the end of the body’s filtering/disposal system, so any problem upstream shows up there. It’s a red flag that you need to fix a problem that started in the stomach/gut. Once that’s sorted, the bladder stops being a problem child.
Either your stomach acid or your hydration, or both, aren’t what they should be yet.
If your hydration is good, you may be missing a nutrient in your diet that your body needs to make adequate levels of stomach acid.
Niacin, sodium chloride (salt), zinc, thiamine, iodine…you’re taking a fat shot of pure lemon juice just with every meal, yes?
I always take a lemon juice shot before I eat and I drink plenty of lemon water throughout the day. It’s possible I’m lacking in one of those things you mentioned. I’m not sure what a saline laxative is (i did just Google it. Non-ionized sea salt in warm water?) and will it keep me in the bathroom all day? As I said, I’m not home and I have another crazy busy day of cooking and the holiday starts tonight.
Magnesium citrate is a saline laxative, for instance.
Basically it draws water into your gut and flushes you out.
Time spent in the bathroom varies…but yes, the timing is awkward.
I would try taking a second lemon shot during or right after meals: you may just need a bit more. I’m leaning toward that being the issue, since you don’t seem to have had the usual cleansing response to it yet.
(People generally have lots of dark, sticky š©š© within about 36 hours of starting on it. That’s the liver being cleansed, in addition to the gut being sped up.)
I did the magnesium citrate last Sunday before the charcoal. So, that cant happen today. I’ll try the extra lemon shot. I’ve been using bottled lemon juice -RealLemon. I believe you said that was okay?
Yes, the bottled kind works! That’s what I had on hand and used when I first did this and it worked like a charm.
I’d try that second shot and see what happens; it should be relatively quick and once the dam breaks, you’re all cleaned out in 1-3 bathroom visits, typically. It’s much more time-efficient than mag citrate.
The double shots are definitely doing something for me. Maybe no dams are breaking, but better than its been. I’ll keep it up. Thank you for responding to me so early this morning. I was seriously freaking out and you really calmed me down āŗ
Great work, keep it up!
I woke up for no apparent reason about 10 minutes before you commented, and I heard the phone buzz while I was wondering why I was awake so early….š
Wow… That was lucky for me! Thanks for checking your phone and answering!
The double shots of lemon juice were the answer! The nitrites were back to normal yesterday morning. I had a faint amount of purple only at the top of the leuks square this morning and that happened close to 5 minutes.
I’ll be away from Wednesday through Sunday. Assuming that I’m still seeing some purple by Wed morning, I won’t be able to juice or to eat horseradish. Are there any replacements I can take in tablet/pill form. I’m going to bring the lemon juice and hopefully will be able to take it. I also have HCL I can take. And of course I have my OLE.
*high five*
I’d keep doing that and maybe double your doses of horseradish and the amount of ginger in your juice until Wednesday.
When you’re taking the right meds in the right quantities, you can polish off an infection in a few days.
It sounds like the main thing holding you up was not quite enough acid with your meals, so taking adequate amounts of that and increasing your horseradish and ginger should finish this thing off by Wednesday, and then you can just take OLE and HCL with you and take a few with every meal as protection. You obviously need the HCL for proper digestion, and the OLE will not only protect you from all types of new infections, it’s great for blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar, too.
High five back at ya! 100% normal strip today after 5 minutes!!
By Wednesday, when I know I’m free and clear of this, is it okay to go back to eating things I’ve been avoiding, such as tomatoes, eggplant, coffee, etc., with the OLE and HCL? I’m so paranoid that it’s going to come back.
Reintroduce gradually, just because those things are natural bladder irritants and you want to be nice to it, after what it’s been through.
Just so you know, fresh tomatoes are better than tomato sauce, and coffee is less irritating if you add a pinch of salt to the grounds (which also makes it taste really smooth).
I had 3 days of normal test strips and then at 4:30 this AM pink nitrites but normal leuks after 5 minutes. I was still going strong with all my meds, except yesterday something came up and I had to leave the house earlier than expected, so I missed a juice and 2 doses of horseradish. I took OLE, HCL and turmeric with me. I figured the turmeric would be a replacement for ginger since they’re both terpenes? I ate dinner out and took 1 HCL in the middle of my meal. I did have heartburn afterwards. I’m not really sure I understand how to figure out the dosage for that. When I finally got home, around 12:30 AM, I took a shot of lemon juice to get rid of the heartburn. Also, I am not constipated at all any more, so that can’t be the problem again.
Any ideas what I’m doing wrong, besides missing the horseradish? I was so excited yesterday and now I feel like I’m back to square one. One more thing – after the pink nitrites, I took OLE and then ate a little with 2 lemon juice shots and ate some horseradish with a little avocado (I have been using avocado and not the milk or yogurt as you suggested). An hour later I decided to test again and this time, no pink, but purple.
I’m so upset because as I told you I’m leaving today and will be away until Sunday. I won’t be able to juice, but I’m thinking I can bring horseradish with me, but it’s going to be difficult to take it in the middle of meals.
Did you double your doses of horseradish and ginger, the last few days?
Heartburn means you needed more HCL with your food; judging by how much lemon juice it took to get your gut functioning properly I wouldn’t be surprised if you need 4 or more HCL with the average meal.
Are you testing after sleeping all the way through the night?
I did double the doses. Except for what I missed yesterday. I’m testing after about 5ish hours. I usually don’t make it through the whole night without having to pee. Especially with drinking so much water all day and I’m going through menopause.
Do you take anything before going back to bed?
I usually take OLE and horseradish.
Hmm..and you’re taking a bedtime dose, I presume…
Have you taken cayenne pepper yet for this?
I take it right before bed, is that what you mean?
I tried the cayenne pepper once last week, but it is so spicy even through the honey that I couldn’t get myself to do it again. I actually took it at 5:00 this morning because I was so upset. I have been putting some in my juice though, but I’m not sure if it’s enough.
Let me make sure we’re on the same page:
You take a bedtime dose of meds, AND when you wake up in the night to pee you take a dose of meds before going back to sleep?
Oops, we’re not on the same page… I take the bedtime dose, but not when I wake up to pee.
ARGH!
That’s the loophole the bacteria is using to hang on by its fingernails, then.
The little devils are persistent like that.
For that period of time, from when you pee in the night to when you take a med dose in the morning, there’s nothing in your bladder killing bacteria. The meds were sitting in your bladder and they got flushed out with nothing to replace them. (As described in Tip #4, above)
The bacteria are just barely able to hang on, using those few hours.
You can rectify that swiftly by taking a bottle of juice and a few OLE to the bedroom with you. Crush their last desperate hope for survival.
There’s a particularly hardy strain of E. coli that really only succumbs to cayenne pepper, which is why I mentioned it in the hopes that you could polish this thing off in a day by adding it in.
(My first (incredibly tough and persistent) UTI died in one day of just taking cayenne and nothing else)
I don’t know how I missed that š I’ve read your tips many times and I’m very conscious of the timing during the day. I think when I wake up, pee and test, I’ve been more concerned about possibly falling back to sleep, which most days I don’t.
So since I won’t be able to make juice now, until Sunday evening, is there anything else I can take instead? Also, I have a centrifugal juicer, so I know it won’t keep all those hours. I would have to start juicing then or do you think I should invest in the other type?
I’ll take the cayenne pepper. Also, is turmeric a good option when I can’t juice with the ginger?
I’d take ginger powder over turmeric; it’s more potent.
Centrifugal juicers oxidize the ingredients, BUT..ginger is a powerful antioxidant so that counters the negative effect.
I think that making the juice ahead of time is better than no juice at all.
I’d take a combination of ginger, OLE, and cayenne capsules when you need to take meds on an empty stomach. Those three don’t need to be taken with food and they’re covering 3 chemical bases with them.
You can get empty capsules (Size 0 is good) at the hippy store and fill them with ginger and cayenne powder.
So, since I can’t juice for the rest of this week, taking the ginger, OLE and cayenne capsules should be okay? And how many capsules of each do you think I should take? Sorry to be such a pain in the neck and thank you so much for your help.
I’d take 3 each of OLE, 4 ginger, and 2 cayenne capsules in place of each glass of juice you’d have otherwise taken.
(That’s presuming you use Size 0 capsules; the hippy store should have fresh ginger powder in bulk, too. Just scoop both sides of the capsules into the powder and put them together.)
I wish I’d asked you sooner about whether you were sleeping through the night; you’d be fine with this by now. š
It’s not your fault, I should have thought of it myself š
But I have one more question, can I buy ginger already in capsules? The Vitamin Shoppe sells them.
You can…I like the fresh, loose powder just to ensure potency. You want to take between 1.5-2 grams per dose, so check the capsule size and do the math to make sure you get enough.
I’ll look for the loose powder. And thank you again.
Do you know if the OLE and ginger would have the same effect if I opened the capsules into water? I’m not the greatest at swallowing pills and with so many, it will take me forever.
You can just mix the ginger powder into water; it’s spicy but not unpleasant.
OLE is truly a bitter herb; I wouldn’t try taking that one out of its capsules.
Hi Rebekah, I had replied to you last week, but I just realized it never posted. I just wanted to thank you for all your help and guidance and patience! It took me weeks, but with your help, I’m finally over this horrid infection (I hope). I’m still drinking a juice in the morning (because it can’t hurt) and taking OLE and lemon juice shots. So thank you again! You are the best š
I’m so proud of you!
You’ll never get another cold as long as you take a few OLE every day, and it’s great for your BP and cholesterol, too.
Enjoy your victory, my dear; it was well earned and deserved!
God bless you. ā¤ļø
Hi
Can you please tell me more about OLE.
Thank you
This post has links to studies on it…
https://pantrypharmacy.com/2016/06/10/profiles-in-power-olive-leaf-extract/
Sorry, I just re-read your earlier question. I missed the “back to bed”. I just read “bed”.
Do you have any remedies for persistent enterobacter aerogenes? Not sure which method I should try.
Enterobacter is in the same family as E. coli and is susceptible to the same things. Treat as for E. coli or Klebsiella.
Hi Rebekah,
Do you have any suggestions for Enterobacter Aerogenes. Doctors have had me use cefixme antibiotics with no resolution. Please help! Thank you
That’s actually a type of Klebsiella!
The Hippocrates Special combined with a couple of natural meds from this list will work:
https://pantrypharmacy.com/2018/12/21/the-kill-list-klebsiella-edition/
Hi Rebecca,
I am not sure if you are still active on here but I could really use your guidance if you are.
Do you recommend taking grape seed extract while taking OLE? Both seem to have a blood pressure lowering effect when I google.
Thanks!
Diane
If restoring BP to healthy levels is a goal, you donāt have to bother with the extract.
Iāve seen charcoal cleansing plus a course of OLE drop BP, cholesterol, and triglycerides from āyou need a prescriptionā levels to normal in 3 weeks.
Personally, I have naturally low BP (105/65), and OLE never pushed it lower. It doesnāt push BP down, like a prescription med, it corrects the underlying causes of elevated BP.
If your BP is already normal, no effect.
I have normally low blood pressure but was going to add grape seed extract to my killing regimens that includes OLE already.
Diane
Do you mean grapefruit seed extract?
Oh maybe thatās the one Iām thinking of?
Yeah, grapefruit seed extract is used against infections, and grape seed extract is purely for things like blood pressure and cholesterol.
You can use OLE and grapefruit seed extract together, no problem. Iām not sure how efficacious the latter is, though.
Thank you Rebekah. Hope you are well.
I very often have to pee three times within an hour. How can I regulate my supplements then?
The meds should be stopping that: you have that frequency no matter what you take?
Hi Rebekah
In your “chart” you show cinnamon as combined. Is it like a broad spectrum “fighter” and do you recomend it for me?
Yes, it has an array of compounds in it, and itās effective against many strains of bacteria: the key is to use it the right way.
Standard cassia cinnamon has a degree of toxicity due to the coumarin content: itās chemically similar to rat poison. However, coumarin is not water soluble, meaning itās perfectly safe to make tea with in large quantities, because the toxin is left behind in the grounds.
Thatās why the cinnamon tea in Phase I is so strong. If you were going to consume the powder you would want to limit the dosage to 1/4 tsp 3x a day for no more than a week straight.
Ceylon cinnamon has virtually no coumarin in it and can be taken freely as a powder, but it doesnāt seem to be as effective as cassia cinnamon against bacteria and fungus.
Cinnamon is most effective in the bladder after charcoal cleansing, because cinnamon is a good Candida killer and much of it will be used up in the gut if you donāt cleanse.
If you want to try it, I would start with the tea form and see what response you get. The recipe is in Phase I.
Iāll be putting up an updated and expanded chart tomorrow.
Reading this, i think I may have not been timing my meds properly. I eat take meds and then set an alarm to drink juice and take more meds an hour later. Then i do the same and then another hour after I eat take meds and so on..I have been timing it this way versus every time I pee. Also I take my last meds before bed with a snack but then I always GO PEE right before I sleep so this may have been setting me back…i feel like if this is what it is it’s been 2 weeks of wasted meds and I am going suicidal here…I will try to time my meds based on when I pee instead. This is just SO hard and emotionally draining it feels like it will never be over. I miss normal food and I miss my health and this is just pure torture:(
Itās not wasted! You havenāt had symptoms and your test results are so low you have to let a sample sit for 12-24 hours before anything even shows up.
Youāve been keeping it down to virtually nothing, so all you have to do is tweak your timing just a bit.
I suspect you have some level of B vitamin deficiency, and remember that makes you feel drained and really depressed. If you arenāt doing the adrenal cocktail yet, I would get on that as soon as you can, and make a point to eat something B Vitamin-rich every day.
I got everything I need for the adrenal coctail but I stopped it as I noticed coconut water has 11 grams of sugar in it..even water with NO sugar added. So i got paranoid and stopped it!
Also in terms of tests leuks are very dark these two days no matter what time of day I test..the trick is it could be a. Because I dropped two of the meds I was taking as I didn’t know what could be irratating my infection. SO it could be i backed off these two meds and my leuks peeked through. Or B. My period is causing them.
Also i notice a smell about my urine..it is very faint but I know that it is that infection smell. At first I thought it was because I had been eating asparagus but I haven’t in a few days now and it is still there, the smell.
That with the leuks bothers me..I wont know if the leuks are due to my period OR the UTI until my period is over I guess..
I know the infection isn’t gone because the smell is still there. I will start trying to time my meds better…see if that helps…
And I don’t know if it’s my vitamin B defficiency but my depression just might kill me before this UTI does..
A period does cause leuks, as a general rule.
11 grams of sugar isnāt necessarily bad, especially if it keeps you out of ketosis…your test strips have that indicator?
Thereās nothing wrong with combining natural meds and an antibiotic: for some cases thatās the best route to go. The main thing is to WIN, and if that takes both natural meds and an antibiotic at the same time, thatās just what it takes.
Charcoal cleansing and probiotics afterward will protect your gut, as will keeping up with your stomach acid.
Also, *if youāre not getting enough B12 and B6 you will never make enough stomach acid* no matter how much celery juice you use.
Why is it necessary to stay out of ketosis? I keep having that as well as a pH5 on my urine strips. It’s virtually impossible to get alkaline urine even when I am eating straight vegetarian and no sugar.